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Glen Sykes
09-15-2004, 05:35 PM
Product Name: Tandberg 880MXP
Price: £5,950 to £7,950 (dependent on option purchased)
Overall Rating: 9/10

Connectors

1 x DVI Input and Output
2 x XLR Mic Inputs, 2 x RCA Line Inputs (can be used as stereo)
2 x RCA Video Inputs, 1 x SVHS Input
2 x RCA Line Level outputs (main can be configured to S/PDIF)

Features

The 880MXP comes with all the previous features of its predecessor, however I've drawn attention to a few new noteworthy additions.

Full spec available here:

TANDBERG 880MXP Data Sheet (http://www.tandberg.net/collateral/product_brochures/TANDBERG_880MXP.pdf)

The T880MXP on first glance appears identical to its predecessor, however on inspection of the rear of the unit, some radical changes can be seen.

This version now sees an industry first in the use of DVI connectors for both the PC input, and more importantly the output too. This allows the MXP (in fact all MXP units) to use a single interface (2 interfaces on the 6000) to display both video (PAL and NTSC derived) and up to XGA images from a single interface, negating the requirement to use 2 seperate outputs to get the best of both formats. The downside to this is the limited distance a DVI cable can be run without external signal amplification.

This unit is absolutely loaded with new software features, however the most groundbreaking for me is the introduction of transcoding capabilities into its embedded MCU, previously a feature reserved for the dedicated MCU's and a sign of things to come.

The biggest change to the 880MXP (and all MXP systems) is a new user interface. My first impressions of this were that I actually preferred the old remote and menu structure, they made sense to me. The thing that I liked most about the old remote control was the way that you could directly select any attached video source from a single button. This has been done away with and replaced by a 'presentation' button. Holding down this button gives a menu that the user then selects their device from. The whole experience reminds me of something you'd see in a microsoft product, in that it's much more menu driven. From that point of view, I guess it will be easier for a user new to Tandberg to get used to. Being 'old school', I'll need some time to get used to it. The front end is much more attractive though.

Another good change is the clever use of 16:9 displays, where the local picture is displayed in a 'Picture out of Picture' window at the side, whilst the far end image remains in its normal 4:3 format. Clever use of the screen.

Testing

The system was connected to an NEC 42" Plasma Screen via DVI.

As to be expected, the Tandberg system delivered very good quality video and audio. The new AAC-LD algorithm doesn't make a huge difference to voice, although it is better, and the echo cancellation as usual is also first rate.

XGA images were also smooth and sharp, the best i've seen over a video call yet, even in duovideo / H.239.

One thing I found to my irritation on testing of the unit was on initiation of a multipoint call, the unit did not downspeed to enable it to call the 2nd or 3rd site. This to me seemed a step backward, however on discussion with Tandberg, this was primarily because of the new capability to call systems at different speeds in a MCU call. However, the point was taken that existing Tandberg users expect the system to downspeed for the MCU call and I beleive that this will be rectified in a future software release.

Impressions:

This system is awesome, and for the price you get more features than any other set top system in its class. There are some quirks that need a look at, but for a feature rich STB, look no further.

Given that the current software image on the unit only uses approximately 10% of the hardwares resources, it would also appear to be a good long term investment too.

pros and cons

PROs: Very Feature rich, DVI interface for futureproof, robust and high quality

CON's: New software can appear a bit quirky to existing Tandberg users, not the cheapest STB around, but you get what you pay for.

Summary

Tandberg have pulled off a masterstroke with the new MXP, if their statistics are to be beleived, the horsepower of the MXP platform is more than double that of its predecessor, which in turn was approximately the same power of the new VSX (stats based on MIPS, Clock rate and processor bandwidth). Expect to see more groudbreaking innovations on this platform, which where possible will also see themselves appearing on the older platform too.

George
09-16-2004, 08:12 AM
Excellent review Glenn! Very informative.

Glen Sykes
09-17-2004, 04:59 AM
Excellent review Glenn! Very informative.

can I claim my premium membership now ? :D

George
09-17-2004, 08:30 AM
I came to this thread just to make sure I was spelling your name right so I could upgrade your account, in other words, you were one step ahead of me :)

Your account has been updated.

trapehzoid
09-25-2004, 10:48 AM
Given that the current software image on the unit only uses approximately 10% of the hardwares resources, it would also appear to be a good long term investment too.

How are you qualifying this statement?

jakob
09-29-2004, 06:30 AM
The 880MXP comes with all the previous features of its predecessor,


Does the MXP still have the hidden games?
Or is the lack the reason why you rate 9/10 ?

Sean Lessman
09-29-2004, 08:24 PM
How are you qualifying this statement?

Those sort of discussions are hard to qualify and more importantly hard to prove on any product. However, you can be assured the MXP products when compared to their predecessors are equipped with plenty of horsepower for the future.

If anyone followed the path of the previous products from A1-A2 software and then the IP enabled B1-B9(E1-E4) software, you will realize how the product grew in leaps and bounds through increased feature offerings over those 11 versions of major releases. Now MXP is on its first release with plenty of possibilities for tomorrow. :-)

Sean

Glen Sykes
10-10-2004, 05:55 PM
How are you qualifying this statement?

A good question.

Fair enough this information was from a Tandberg technical source, however as Sean states time will qualify the statement. I have no reason to doubt the stats shown to me.

Jakob,

I don't think I'd ever give something a straight 10 out of 10. There's always something going on out there that I don't know about :happy:

trapehzoid
10-14-2004, 10:59 PM
A good question.

Fair enough this information was from a Tandberg technical source, however as Sean states time will qualify the statement. I have no reason to doubt the stats shown to me

Never believe anyone about hardware unless they are actual hardware developers themselves. Everything else is hear-say or guesses.

Glen Sykes
10-15-2004, 10:52 AM
Never believe anyone about hardware unless they are actual hardware developers themselves. Everything else is hear-say or guesses.

Would Tandberg R&D in Oslo qualify then?

panzer
10-15-2004, 11:46 AM
Good Review,
especially if the processor utilization is accurate that would be a nice feature.
That would definitly be an improvement over the standard forklift upgrades they have been known for.

Speaking of processor power I guess there is a full DSP in the VSX 8000 that isnt even turned on. Anyone else hear that as well?

Later
Panzer

Yukikaze
10-15-2004, 09:14 PM
Would Tandberg R&D in Oslo qualify then?

I'd guess those numbers might apply to a point-to-point call, not the MCU case. That would make sense when considering the number of sites the unit handles. If that is true the unit would still have reasonable room to grow.

Designing a unit with 10 times the required processing power sounds unreal from an engineering and business perspective. Time will tell, it may be that you are right, it just sounds like a very odd thing to do unless Tandberg has foreseen some specific application for all that processing power.

Glen Sykes
10-16-2004, 04:43 PM
It makes sense to me, from a point of view of protecting the customers investment.

Take for example Tandbergs foray now into endpoint based transcoding and alternative layouts in MCU calls. Given that this was only the realm of expensive dedicated MCU's previously, and the standard that those MCU's have set, it would make sense that there was enough processor headroom to improve this.

Also, look over the last 4 years at the innovations that we have witnessed. Would you have predicted these things back in 2000? A manufacturer has to do this in order to keep their credibility in the marketplace. Look at the criticism Tandberg have come in for with the MXP, and this was 5 years of running with the T-series platform.

Who's to say that the VSX or the Video+ card were only using 10% of their potential power when they were introduced?

ROCKYSPS49
11-23-2004, 01:31 PM
do yo know the pinout for the network interface hd-15? for this system

Syed-Ali
03-17-2005, 02:24 AM
Looking to propose a solution based on POLYCOM. I failed to find the exact product comparison.
Can you guys help me out....
The main comparison should be with Tandberg then sony ...etc...
response on my hotmail email address as well...

Glen Sykes
04-27-2005, 02:40 PM
Looking to propose a solution based on POLYCOM. I failed to find the exact product comparison.
Can you guys help me out....
The main comparison should be with Tandberg then sony ...etc...
response on my hotmail email address as well...

There isn't an exact comparison unfortunately, the form factors are totally different, and there are several differences in feature capabilities.

At a push the nearest product would from Polycom would have to the VSX7000 with Visual concert.

Entropy3XD
04-27-2005, 05:29 PM
do yo know the pinout for the network interface hd-15? for this system
Rocky,

I am not sure about getting the pinouts for the interface itself, but you should be able to get the pinouts for the 530/449 cables Tandberg sells. With the cable pinouts you should be able to find out what you need.

Syed-Ali
06-17-2005, 02:19 AM
Hi All,
I am from Pakistan and looking some tips on Vsx 7000 polycom.

I have experainced in vsx7000 that during the call or booting the system suddenly hang and after a few seconds it reboot it self. this happens for 2 or 3 times but then it boots normally . this situation happens during the calls some times as well.

The case is with only vsx7000 no other model.

any tips....
send the message directly to me as well as group.



teritu@hotmail.com
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sagargawas
05-11-2007, 12:39 AM
Ratematching and Transcoding will definitely help for a good bandwidth utilization and user experience.
There are some endpoints who support upto 8-9 sites in multipoint.If they too start supporting Full transcoding in Embedded MCU who needs small MCU's the??

Also Glen....waiting for your review on Aethra X7...if u can!!!!



A good question.

Fair enough this information was from a Tandberg technical source, however as Sean states time will qualify the statement. I have no reason to doubt the stats shown to me.

Jakob,

I don't think I'd ever give something a straight 10 out of 10. There's always something going on out there that I don't know about :happy:

RyanW
07-02-2007, 03:42 PM
Hey there,

The company that I am working for currently has just bought a 880 MXP, and they would like me to set them up a media server. I am just curious as to what the easiest way you think it would be to set one up for them? Can the codec send video to a computer in my data room here, that I could use? Or does it have to be next to the codec itself for the video / audio hook ups on the back.

Any help is very appreciated!

Thanks

Ryan

rafdiaz2
08-16-2008, 06:05 PM
Thanks I need to buy a control remote tandberg codexc 2500-5000